dahvzombie : If the chinese do intend to censor western media they will do it like they do everything else- slowly, well calculated and on a huge scale. Censorship the second they get a small stake in a niche company, absolutely not. Slowly increasing regulation over years or decades is more likely.
hexydes : They’re already pursuing this by doing things like buying movie theater companies, funding and exerting influence over movie studios and films, and buying radio stations. That they are beginning to branch into social media should be a surprise to no one, but a concern to everyone.
gnomepunt : Fucking THANK YOU. When I was working in film in China a few years ago, Wanda announced that they bought AMC. I was fucking mortified. As an American that’s spent more or less my entire life in China, this was so bad. I can continue to comment on reasons why I was angry and disappointed this happened, but the point I am making was that nobody seemed to give a shit. The same goes with when Anbang bought out the Waldorf in NYC. The hotel fucking POTUS stays at.
johnhang123 : You literraly have to be a party member to maintain that much wealth in China.
gnomepunt : For the most part, yes. I know a handful of listed company owners that are not and are very westernized. They just keep an extremely low profile, keep their heads down and don’t make any noise.
gnomepunt : The difference is they can leave whenever they want. Higher ranking party members need a permission slip to go out of the country, even to a place like Hong Kong.
rebeltrillionaire : I kind of meant from a philosophical standpoint, ya know the whole evil is when good men do nothing thing.
GrabblesNow : They’re probably looking at it from a survival standpoint while trying to not associate with it personally.
Green0Photon : This is kinda terrifying. I don’t know what to do. 🙁
Strong__Belwas : It doesn’t matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice
Zulous : I’m completely anti-China just because I have a love for taiwan and you look at any international law regarding China and it’s sickening. People complain about neo-colonialism but what China is doing is damaging a whole world culture.I’ve heard stories about business owners being troubled by high ranking police officials and local high ranking government officials regarding their business. These people require you to take them out to the most expensive restaurants and pay their way. If they don’t they get arrested through some made up reason. It happens to a lot of Taiwanese businesses who open branches in China to combat stupid tax tariffs.
PM_YOUR_WALLPAPER : I dont think any statesman can stop a multinational company from investing in an American-based internet business.
FC30 : Yes they can. All investments over $500,000 have to be approved by the government
GearheadNation : I share your concern about Chinese censorship. However, I think concerns about Chinese censorship of American speech in the US are a distraction relative to American censorship of American speech.The Chinese can’t destroy an American commitment to free speech. But if Americans slippery slope that commitment, then the Chinese could grease the hill. And it would be justice for them to do so.
DarkangelUK : Can we also blame these companies that are happy and willing to hand over everything to China for the sake of money? Seems like the US is making it very easy for them, wave some cash in their faces and they get what they want.
Lofter1 : well, the average folk CAN change stuff (as we are many many many and we give them the power in the first place), if 80% wouldn’t be mindless sheep that don’t care for nothing as long as they have entertainment. even i don’t inform myself about everything, but the second someone tells me something is owned by tencent or similiar, i stop supporting it with my money and other stuff like that.seriously, if everyone would stop giving money to LoL, which is owned by tencent, that would be a huge step forward. but i’ve met so many people where i could explain everything about tencent and china in great detail, tell them that games like lol are owned by them and you at least shouldn’t buy anything from lol, but they act all superior because they don’t care about that and “nobody can tell me what to do”-shit.
MarchAgainstOrange : Don’t forget western video games. Tencent, one of the companies running the social credit score system owns a large part of Activision/Blizzard or Epic Games for example.
hexydes : Apple is a great example. They sit on a chest of well over $100 billion, and do nothing with it. They’re a company that has to make money obviously, but they’re going to end up killing themselves. They’ve basically been teaching Chinese companies how to make good electronics for the past 20 years, to the point that the quality comes close enough for the Chinese brands, and the Chinese government will simply subsidize them enough to completely price out Apple around the world. Eventually, that will come back home, and Apple will see their market share crumble (the first signs are already happening, which is why Apple had to raise the ASP of their phones and stopped reporting sales numbers for phones).
CerebralBypass01 : Well yeah, they have money and cheap workers. What did you expect would happen? China has been doing this for decades … They’re playing for economic domination and they’re seriously good at it.Everyone laughing at China and saying it isn’t a superpower, think again please.
TomBradysmom : I’d like to point out something.Look at the US population and the size of our economy? It’s huge but it’s reached a size that can only grow a little bit more. We’d be hard pressed to fit new catalyst that can consistently push GDP growth <4%Now look at China’s. They are 1.3 billion people with an economy right below the us in size. But barely. They will be able to continue to grow at a clip of ~6% with ease. It’s just so much more potential.China and India could theoretically be poised to significant outgrow the leading world economies if they figure it out. China has with their views of Censoring and monitoring to peddle influence.That’s why it’s so important to push the advents of American/Western Europe tech. The only way we can compete is to boost efficiency. AI, quantum, electric cars, space. Those are industries we need to be plowing resources in order to provide some competition and allow us a measure of guarantee at the table.
CerebralBypass01 : As long as we keep sending our blueprints to China for production, they’ll never be far behind. Up until now we’ve been giving away our tech research away for free to the Chinese. They do not have to invest in R&D, and why should they if they can just copy it. “Close enough” with the right price tag really is close enough.
dorkbork_in_NJ : The worst part is they are an enemy of our own creation. We knew that China would be a problem since the 70’s and yet our industrialists and politicians ignored that because they were so eager to get Chinese cheap labor.
CerebralBypass01 : Absolutely, but not only that. We have been sending them blueprints to objects and tech in general for free. All those companies who have their products built in China have been giving China a treasure chest of information, build plans, prototypes, … As we all know, Chinese government is heavily involved in Chinese corporations and obviously uses that knowledge for its own benefit.That’s why ‘cheap Chinese’ knockoffs are more and more matching the quality of the initial ‘premium’ product. Research done in the west is used freely in China. That is also why China will be taking our markets by storm. We’ve seen cheap Chinese smartphones with an insane bang for the buck. Now they’re heavily investing in electric vehicles as well to give an example. Where the West falters because of high costs, including labor costs, the Chinese pretty much have infinite funds to invest in the research of these vehicles. Volvo for example is owned by Geely which is a ‘privately owned’ Chinese company. We
Cannot_go_back_now : They bought a private school in my town here in Florida, it’s one of the most prestigious in the area and has me super curious as to why.
ACCount82 : TikTok is their most recent attempt to gain relevance on the field of western social media. They poured a metric fuckton of money into advertising it in hopes that it would catch on.
hexydes : And honestly, I have no problem with the Chinese PEOPLE trying to create a product and get people outside of China using it; that’s just capitalism in action. The PROBLEM arises in that every single company in China is beholden to the CCP, and their interests are against every single Democratic nation in the world. If China had a Democratically-elected government that wasn’t trying to infiltrate and steal from every other country, their success could be celebrated; until that happens, they’re never to be trusted, in my book.
Sine0fTheTimes : And the kickbacks for the politicians!
121512151215 : The time to completely lock out China was 30 years ago. The people behind all this outsourcing pretty much ruined us
BoxNumberGavin1 : But think of the return on investment they made for the shareholders!
iauu : Thank you. I know Reddit culture finds sarcasm hilarious for some reason, but I find it troubling that top comments are always a variation of “lol nothing will come of this”, “nobody is surprised”, and such.These comments may not be ill intentioned, but they are harmful. They show the people doing wrong that not only we don’t care, but that they are free to do as they please with no backlash. And they influence us, the people, into thinking we can’t do anything about it, so we follow along.I always downvote these comments and try to upvote the higher effort ones, but it’s me against thousands.
谢谢您。我知道Reddit文化出于某种原因觉得讽刺很搞笑，但我觉得令人不安的是，顶级评论总是“Lol Nothing Become of this”、“Nobody is惊讶”等等的变体。这些评论可能不是恶意的，但它们是有害的。他们向人们表明，不仅我们不在乎他们做错事，而且他们可以随心所欲地做，没有任何反冲。他们影响着我们，人民，使我们认为我们对此无能为力，所以我们继续努力。我总是对这些评论投反对票，并试图对那些更努力的评论投反对票，但这是我反对几千人。
kemb0 : This is why I keep trying to point out that is not futile and pathetic to speak out now, right at the start, rather than five years down the line when China has a much bigger stake and people only then wake up to odd changes that start to occur on the site. Yet this wave of mockery for anyone speaking out against China’s purchase is bewildering. Like there’s real venom towards people who criticise China buying in to Reddit.Mockery that you speaking out is futile.Mockery that why speak out now and not years ago.Mockery that mentioning Tiananmen Square is Karma whoring.Mockery that you’ll stop complaining the next day and go back to cat memes.The top post here is an example. Outright resentment towards these anti China posts.But mockery is a form of control used to silence people. By embarrassing and belittling you, you feel less inclined to speak out in case you become the mocked.So here we are, China, the nation that silences the voice of freedom, is having their work done for them on
Gaijin_Monster : which is why it’s important to quickly, persitently, and thoroughly resist the expansion of their influence
TheInactiveWall : I can already see it happening. In 4 years:REDDIT ADMIN ANNOUNCEMENT: SITE WIDE CHANGES.Hi all, thank you guys so much to making us grow to the heights we are at now. We couldnt have done it without you. In this time of political diviersity we would like to take a moment and adress a new rule we are adding. As of tomorrow, no one is allowed to post about any political state in any country with over 1 billion citizens whose name starts with the letter “C” in english.We know this is a big rule and we aren’t singling any specific country out, just those that fit this highly specialized ruling. Please keep in mind this rule as you are making new posts. Any that are caught doing so shall be met with an officer within 24 hours to be send to a vacation park.Thank you for your time and understanding.The Admin Team.
skybluegill : Shit, if they sold Super Downvote Badges Reddit wouldn’t need funding from sketchy Chinese companies