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美媒:中国是否会建立南海防空识别区?

美国国家利益杂志近日刊文:中国是否会建立南海防空识别区?如果是的话,什么时候会这样做,具有什么尺寸和范围?

美媒讨论中国南海军事识别区

 

Ever since China set up its first air defense identification zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea in November 2013, a Chinese ADIZ has hung as a sword of Damocles over the South China Sea. The same day as China’s Ministry of Defense announced the establishment of the East China Sea ADIZ, the ministry’s spokesman proclaimed , “China will establish other air defense identification zones at an appropriate time after completing preparations.” 自2013年11月中国在东海建立第一个防空识别区(ADIZ)以来,中国的ADIZ已经成为南海上空的达摩克利斯之剑。在中国国防部宣布成立东海ADIZ的同一天,该部发言人宣称,“中国将在完成准备工作后的适当时间建立其他防空识别区。”

 

Since then, official statements by both China’s Ministry of National Defense and Ministry of Foreign Affairs have never ruled out the possibility of a South China Sea ADIZ, saying consistently that setting up such an ADIZ is the right of China as a sovereign state. 从那时起,中国国防部和外交部的官方声明从未排除过南海ADIZ的可能性,并坚持认为建立这样的ADIZ是中国作为一个主权国家的权利。

 

Will China set up a South China Sea ADIZ? If it does, when will it do so, and with what size and scope? These questions have been raised numerous times since November 2013. A South China Sea ADIZ was again a hot issue following a remark by China’s Vice Foreign Minister in relation to the Permanent Court of Arbitration’s South China Sea ruling. How do you predict what the South China Sea ADIZ? 中国是否会建立南海ADIZ?如果是的话,什么时候会这样做,具有什么尺寸和范围?自2013年11月以来,这些问题已多次提出。在中国外交部副部长就常设仲裁法院南海裁决发表的言论后,南海ADIZ再次成为热点问题。你怎么预测南海ADIZ?

 


外国网友评价:

Truth is honest : No war flare up around in SCS and maitain Asean Member firm from break up.”Everyone knows .US is the main perpetrator, “It’s an unprecedented level of NWO”interrupting peaceful maritime commerce – this by the self-proclaimed protector of freedom of navigation,Here no jurisdiction at all. B4 a war3 start, better review all your obsolete weapons, do more research on Hyper sonic weapon and other missiles which you do not have to challenge ,China is ready for you. China does not want to attack them but prepares a very strong powerful defense by this transformation here for PEACE . 南海四周没有战争爆发,东盟成员国不会分裂。“众所周知,美国是主要的肇事者。”“这是前所未有的无核武器组织”中断了和平的海上贸易——这是由自称航行自由保护者的,这里根本没有管辖权。”B4战争3开始,最好检查一下你们所有的过时武器,多研究一下高超声速武器和其他你们不需要挑战的导弹,中国已经准备好了。中国不想攻击他们,而是通过在和平中的转变来准备一个非常强大的防御。
Truth is honest : Nobody can notice clearly what was behind done by US. They play a lot of dirty game around and do not want the world to know about it. Damaged relationship among Asian.China was weak that period-Neighbour countries had simply draw line overlapped claimed one another.They are the 1st build small military from China backyard 1975without informed/quietly steal first or don’t care who own’s in history.China brought back under control during 2014 after found out the intruder island’s,that40 yrs later. US military industrial complex in America and much of the Zionist West would also amass billions of dollars out of perpetual wars. Lot of negative elements effect, jealousy,unfair,distort history apply to China. US will request/want for more military bases from Asia allies especially in SCS.,perhaps that not belong to them.US keen hegemony in SCS but have no absolute right,interest & interference. US& all allies had violated intentionally.The Philippines was the first move ignored or don’t car 没有人能清楚地看到美国所做的事情。他们玩了很多肮脏的游戏,不想让全世界知道。亚洲关系受损。那个时期中国很脆弱。邻国只是划了条相互重叠的界线。他们是1975年在中国后院建造的第一支小军队,没有事先通知/悄悄地盗窃,也不在乎历史上谁拥有。中国被控制住了。2014年后发现了入侵者岛,40年后。美国在美国的军事工业基地和犹太复国主义西方的大部分地区也将从永久的战争中积累数十亿美元。许多消极因素、嫉妒、不公平、扭曲的历史都适用于中国。美国会要求亚洲盟国特别是南海盟国提供更多的军事基地,也许不属于他们。美国热衷于南海霸权,但没有绝对的权利、利益和干涉。美国和所有盟友都有意侵犯了菲律宾。
汤姆 : The problem with ADIZ’s is that you have to enforce them. China has, effectively, given up enforcing its East China Sea ADIZ, and that was only based on traditional maritime claims; how can it reasonably to enforce an ADIZ that covers waters hundreds of kilometers from its nearest airbase?Without an answer to this question an ADIZ will have as much effect on air traffic as a Guangzhou red light does on a Chinese E-Bike. ADIZ的问题是你必须强制执行。中国实际上已经放弃了执行其东海ADIZ,而这仅仅是基于传统的海事索赔;它如何能够合理地执行一个ADIZ,该ADIZ覆盖距离其最近的空军基地数百公里的水域?如果没有这个问题的答案,ADIZ对空中交通的影响将和广州红灯对中国电动自行车的影响一样大。
carledgarJohnno : What the heck is a “a high-frequency radar station”. The high frequency (HF) band only goes to 30MHz which is 2+ orders of magnitude below radar frequencies way up in Gigahertz country.Even assuming the author is a layperson to whom radar is a form of magic, is the article implying that this Chinese radar installation operates at a higher frequency than is the norm for civilian or military radar installations.Academics are welcome to write about explicit military installations only if tey are willing to learn the nomenclature involved.Over the horizon radar like the Australian JORN system is HF. Some IP been nicked? “高频雷达站”到底是什么。高频(HF)波段在吉赫兹国家只有30MHz,比雷达频率低2+个数量级。即使假设作者是外行,雷达是一种魔术,这篇文章暗示这个中国雷达装置工作在较高频率t韩寒是民用或军用雷达设备的标准。只有泰伊愿意学习相关术语,学术界才能写出明确的军事设备。超视距雷达,如澳大利亚JORN系统,是HF。有些IP被窃取了?
flZsari Maxim : The CPC has stated that it is acceptable to establish an ADIZ over another countries territory.Perhaps, in keeping with the CPC’s ADIZ policies, the US should also establish an ADIZ over the Eastern PRC. THAAD has a 1500 km detection range. A THAAD system placed in South Korea and another placed in The Philippines would cover all of Eastern PRC and as far west as Xining and all of Ganxu province.The CPC could not object to US following the CPC’s own policiesBoth Japan and S. Korea’s ADIZ overlap over the disputed Dokdo island, and S. Korea’s ADIZ which is drawn by the US covers southern half of N. Korea. So one can draw ADIZ however he wishes. It has no legal status in international law anyway. The only requirement is whether one is able to enforce the zone. Japan’s ADIZ for example is very close to Chinese coast, so every time Chinese aircraft fly into the zone, Tokyo has to scramble fighters to intercept far from its base. It has been very exhausting and costly. 中国党表示,在其他国家领土上建立亚洲开发区是可以接受的。或许,根据中国党的“亚洲开发区”政策,美国也应该在中国东部建立亚洲开发区。THAAD具有1500公里的检测范围。一个设在韩国的THAAD系统和另一个设在菲律宾的THAAD系统将覆盖中国东部、西宁以及整个甘肃省。按照中国党自己的政策,不能反对美国。朝鲜的阿迪兹是由美国绘制的,覆盖了韩国南部的一半。所以不管他怎么想,都可以画ADIZ。无论如何,它在国际法上都没有法律地位。唯一的要求是一个人是否能够执行这个区域。例如,日本的ADIZ离中国海岸很近,所以每次中国飞机飞入这个区域,东京都必须争先恐后地在远离其基地的地方进行拦截。这是非常耗竭和昂贵的。
obamaZsari Maxim : an ADIZ declared by Vietnam is unthinkable giving the appeasement, Finlandization, that Vietnam is practicing vis a vis with China. Vietnam’s coward results from the past fear from the abandonment of Soviet Union that led to the war both on land and at sea with China which Vietnam tasted the fury of modern Chinese military. China is very quick to learn how to bully Vietnam into submission and Vietnam is playing along even at the loss of territories and sovereignty.Consider Vietnam in both 1956 and 1958 confirmed it’s recognition of Chinese declaration of sovereignty in the SCS, I don’t see what’s the fuss is about. 越南宣布的“反倾销区”是无法想象的,它使芬兰化(Finlandization)绥靖,即越南正在与中国进行交涉。越南的懦弱源于过去对苏联的放弃的恐惧,苏联的放弃导致了与中国的海陆战争,越南尝到了现代中国军队的愤怒。中国很快就学会了如何威逼越南屈服,越南甚至在失去领土和主权的情况下也跟着干。想想越南在1956年和1958年都确认承认中国在南海的主权声明,我不知道有什么大惊小怪的。
Zsari Maxim : Consider Vietnam in both 1956 and 1958 confirmed it’s recognition of Chinese declaration of sovereignty in the SCS, I don’t see what’s the fuss is about. 想想越南在1956年和1958年都确认承认中国在南海的主权声明,我不明白有什么大惊小怪的。
FauNooblewulfenstraa : Nice fear mongering propaganda, do you know there is already ADIZ in East China Sea? You seem to know everything, tell me where is MH370?Only China knows. After all, China shot it down. 好害怕的宣传,你知道东海已经有ADIZ了吗?你好像什么都知道,告诉我MH370在哪里?只有中国知道。毕竟,中国击落了它。
wulfenstraatFauNoobl : If China declared an ADIZ over the South China Sea, it would have to explain its own actions for every missing aircraft or ship in that area. More often than not, the PRC would have to profess that it had not fired upon those vessels for “illegally” entering the ADIZ.Watch the first commercial aircraft to disappear in the SCS for international opinion to turn vehemently bellicose against Chinese hypocrisy. Listen to the nations of the world demand that Beijing provide proof that innocent lives were not lost because of an errant missile delivered under the guise of enforcing the ADIZ.Yeah, it’s not going to happen. That would be a fool’s errand that would destroy the CPC’s standing in the court of public opinion. And the US of A would love that. 如果中国宣布在南中国海设立一个反倾销区,它必须解释自己为该地区所有失踪的飞机或船只采取的行动。中国常常不得不宣称,它没有因为非法进入亚洲开发区而对这些船只开火。观察第一架商用飞机消失在SCS,以获得国际舆论对中国伪善的强烈好战。听听世界各国要求北京提供证据,证明无辜的生命没有因为伪装执行ADIZ的错误导弹而丧失。是的,这不会发生。这将是一个愚蠢的差事,将破坏中国党在公众舆论中的地位。美国的A会喜欢的。
karl : Things are changing. Mr Kerry the State Secretary declared that America would be neutral towards the verdict of Hague arbitration . Then, the Philippine government is to delegate their former president to Beijing to discuss the SCS dispute. Then the recent South Eastern countries conference didi not say anything on the arbitration in question in their declaration . With these development, China is expected not to talk about ADIZ, slow down the paces of islands reconstruction. As the move to withdraw his HQ-9 missiles from the SCS islands shows, the Chinese wish to cool down the whole affair for a while, at least. 情况正在改变。美国国务卿凯丽宣布,美国将对海牙仲裁裁决持中立态度。菲律宾将把前总统委派到北京讨论南海争端。最近召开的东南方国家会议在声明中没有就仲裁问题发表任何意见。有了这些发展,中国将不再谈论阿迪兹,减缓岛屿重建的步伐。正如从南海诸岛撤回他的HQ-9导弹的行动所表明的那样,中国希望至少在一段时间内使整个事件降温。
karl : As the case in East Sea, American military did not recognise the ADIZ, AND dispatched B52 immediately to show defiance. However, many other parties, especially the civilian airlines, have to recognise the ADIZ in order to safeguarding their aircrafts , this included some US registered lines. 就东海而言,美国军方不承认ADIZ,并立即派遣B52来表示藐视。然而,许多其他政党,尤其是民用航空公司,为了保护他们的飞机,必须承认ADIZ,这包括一些美国注册的航空公司。

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